thanks to Ukarmy04 we have a great quad frame, for newbies like me...he tells you what parts to use and everything, thank you man!! I added some landing gear, from a guy that really can CAD, unlike me... thanks Polakium Engineering I started with the re-mixed Ukarmy04 frame from RWillBrown, (I have a UP printer) removed the standoffs, so I can print it upside down, with the landing gear facing up... going to make the front in ABS, and use bright 'safety orange', and black ABS for the rear bits...so I can see which way I am going...;) never built a quad before, so thanks for the help everyone, with all the build info, you guys wrote up!! only down side is I will have to clear 'support' from the motor mounting holes, but as they are round its easy to do... print 2 of each side...