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Gouging
Seeing prices quoted for simple parts being blind quoted here to a potential customer at 3x+ what shapeways would do them for.

Take this for example, shapeways is quoting it at $4 amd this site is quoting it at $13 to random customers. http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:946933. So where in the hell is the 3X shapeways blind quote price coming from?

In addition, it appears one of my customers got confused on how to pay a quick invoice and they ended up paying for some pop up sponsored product, by mistake, instead of paying me. Nathan refunded it but it smells bad.












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elpulpo - Not sure I understand what you're objecting to. Anyone who's quoting over the market price simply won't get the business. If they do then Shapeways is simply undercutting smaller operators, MakeXYZ et al at a below-market price. Many of my customers prefer to place business with me, even at a slightly higher price than elsewhere, for their own reasons. Maybe they like the personal touch. Maybe they don't like Shapeways. You'd have to ask them.

If you're using Shapeways' pricing as being a fair market price, I can only think you aren't thinking very deeply.

Suggest you research the definition of price gouging before scattering accusations around...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_gouging

As you'll see, the term is usually used in reference to essential goods or services at times of emergency or instances of rapid changes of supply or demand. 3D printing demand has followed supply for at least the last 5 years and although supply has constantly increased, demand has lagged supply throughout this period. At no time have either fluctuated quickly or erratically.
8 years, 8 months ago
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foofoodog - I am having a discussion with Nathan about this on the side, and I understand his reasoning from his point of view. From my point of view the site is quoting something and not letting me quote it. And telling someone they have to pay $13 dollars for a $2 part is simply untrue and is putting a barrier between me and the customer. Some folks on here might not want to do make $2 parts for people in their neighborhood. I just don't see that as very neighborly.
8 years, 8 months ago
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elpulpo - Glad you understand Nathan's point-of-view. Darmed if I do! Kinda feels like a big-dog-eat-little-dog situation to me. I'm sure the customer doesn't HAVE to pay anything. They're not being coerced into buying from MakeXYZ, surely. To be honest, I wouldn't turn my printer on for $2.00. What would be the point? Are there really people here who value their own time so little? Why would I spend the best part of $1000 on a printer and materials and months of my own time to be rewarded with a job that pays less than minimum wage? I just don't get it. Is it neighbourly to exploit the time and goodwill of people in your area?
8 years, 8 months ago
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foofoodog - Everyone has a point of view and they all....vary somewhat. And we have different motivation.
I have a day job I don't think being a glorified machine (3D printer) operator will ever pay more than it does. It is more of a hobby for me, I am more into it to evangelize it and make it accessible to the masses than to make a buck. I can't say I have paid off all my 3D printer related hobby costs selling parts, yet, but I have made enough to pay off a printer. I like the local (geo proximity) and personal aspect of this site. Not sure I like the idea of turning it into a bot farm where faceless nerds in basements run off batches of parts for you. That's what 3D hubs is for;) And I feel bad for those customers, if only they had found me on here first, they would have saved some money, but still, I take the money.

8 years, 8 months ago
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elpulpo - Well, that's certainly true. Everyone does have their own point-of-view. Can't help thinking your characterisation of 3DHubs and their community is somewhat wide of the mark but I guess that's your prerogative. So far as 3D printer owners being glorified machine operators is concerned, I'll treat that comment with the contempt it deserves. If anyone else feels compelled to rebut that one I'd invite them to do so.

Just one further point, if you'll permit me. It may surprise you to know that there are very few people in this world who have the luxury of having a hobby. It's a decidedly First-World concept and 3D printing has the potential to influence the lives of us all. If your hobby pays for itself you should consider yourself extremely fortunate and if you want to evangelise, perhaps you should do it somewhere it will change lives and not simply make camping less fiddly.
8 years, 8 months ago
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foofoodog - >>Is it neighborly to exploit the time and goodwill of people in your area?
Wow man, that is where you and I diverge philosophically.
It is neighborly to utilize, appreciate and enjoy the time and goodwill of people in your area. You always pay it forward, even when, or even more so when, you owe nothing to begin with.
8 years, 8 months ago
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foofoodog - >>characterisation of 3DHubs
I was not doing that, just saying their prices are expensive is all.
8 years, 8 months ago
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elpulpo - I can't help but think that, if you lived in a more densely populated country or locale you might have a different point-of-view. If expecting to be paid for your work in monetary terms is so shameful have you perhaps considered pricing your prints in eggs?? I could do free prints for my entire 100,000 person community until I die - probably of starvation - maybe they'd club together and buy me a paupers coffin. Never know!

On both sites, printers have the opportunity to charge whatever they wish.
8 years, 8 months ago
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foofoodog - >> far as 3D printer owners being glorified machine operators is concerned, I'll treat that comment with the contempt it deserves

Are you kidding me? Did you engineer the arduino board and the ramps shield? Did you write the firmware? With any new technology there are snobs who think they are in the know and treat everyone else with disdain. It happens over and over again. You are one. Basically you can program a VCR or run a microwave oven.

Read a book.
http://www.amazon.com/When-Old-Technologies-Were-Communication/dp/0195063414
8 years, 8 months ago
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elpulpo - Hahahaha!

Yeah. I guess 6 years studying Electronic Engineering, Physical Electronics and Microelectronics and 25 years in embedded control systems should qualify me to operate a VCR but mastering the intricacies of Arduino code would be well beyond my ken.

Don't think I'm any more a technology snob than anyone else who's spent decades learning about technology. Or a law snob about the law. But you're entitled to your opinion, however misguided it may be.

From the way you keep changing your tack, I can only assume you have a beef with me for pointing out your erroneous twaddle. That's fine. Some people rail at the world and wish it was another way. Some just get on with it. Twas ever thus.
8 years, 8 months ago
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foofoodog - Na, you are just a troll.
8 years, 8 months ago
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elpulpo - Argh! the fatal blow! I'm wounded!! Goodbye, cruel world!

Is that you, Mother?

Aaaaghh! ( bonk! )

Tosspot!
8 years, 8 months ago
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foofoodog - Brit insults, good fun!
You are a daft twat and a poof!
8 years, 8 months ago
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foofoodog - >>mastering the intricacies of Arduino code would be well beyond my ken.
It is legacy c code is all. It is not is all that intricate but more so convoluted.
8 years, 8 months ago
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elpulpo - So glad you managed to master rudimentary English derogatory terms, no doubt with the assistance of Google. You need to assemble them into a different order to successfully produce an insult, however. Afraid your mastery of sarcasm comprehension is nonexistent. Recommend an intensive course of Gervais therapy.
8 years, 8 months ago
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mkapras - Wow! This was a very entertaining thread! Sorry foofoodog, I would definitely give this round to elpulpo. It's tough to beat the English when it comes to sarcastic humor. After all, they invented the language. ;-)
8 years, 6 months ago
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