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Lost Print Job because of new "Open Print Jobs"
Customer uploads all of files on the new "Open Print Job" thing. Then message me and says "hey I uploaded the files, Im ready to move forward.

I dont have the files, now they are up on the dirt cheap print job list. I have a feeling this will happen more. If one customer gets confused on how the site works, then more will do it as well.

I dont know how that side of the site works but Im sure she already paid and expecting me to make them. This can make me look bad, because I dont want someone to make something like crap or take forever to make it and then she thinks its me!

I think another Google Hangout is in order with Nathan and the other 3D Printers that has been here as long as me.
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paeonius - do you see her job up in the open print jobs list? if not then i think someone else has claimed it
8 years, 10 months ago
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vinnie90 - I have no idea what they were because in the open jobs you don't have the "owners" names by them.

It sucks because if someone grabbed them that is fine. But I wouldn't have done it for that low of a price.

I think you were the one telling us about how this open job thing will be the downfall of what we had going.
8 years, 10 months ago
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paeonius - probably was someone else, but i do think that the open jobs system has lots of room for improvement
most jobs arent click and print, i usually talk to the clients quite a bit to discuss options
8 years, 10 months ago
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fabbdea - how do you contact them as I can find any of details?
8 years, 10 months ago
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paeonius - after you accept and finish the job the postal details are available only
8 years, 10 months ago
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fabbdea - so you finish job on site but don't even start it?
8 years, 10 months ago
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yellowjester - I took a look through all the open print jobs. Couldn't find a single one that was even remotely feasible for the price, and some weren't feasible, period. I really hope this aspect of the site doesn't end up overshadowing the others, confusing customers, or giving them false expectations, especially if they need to pay before anyone accepts their job.
8 years, 10 months ago
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vinnie90 - Yea...

MakeXYZ was great for community with customer. I got to know each customer, gain a bond, and got repeat jobs from some of them. Shit I'm friends with some on Facebook.

3DHubs is more of a "this is what I want, here's my money, then bye". This site still works great because I set my price and get jobs. Everything is laid out for me that I don't have to ask questions. Kinda takes out the human interaction aspect.

However, I feel that Hubs is missing the connection factor with your customer. That's what makeXYZ has and I think will loose it with this new feature. You want a connection, it is beneficial to makeXYZ, me, and the customer.
8 years, 10 months ago
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fabbdea - I don't know what site you talking about but its not what I have now here
I can't contact customers at all can you?
8 years, 10 months ago
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elpulpo - I agree Vinnie. I think a hangout's long overdue.
8 years, 10 months ago
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raykholo - So, tomorrow at 12 noon EST as we've done in the past?
8 years, 10 months ago
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elpulpo - Hello Doooood! :-)

Any chance we could make it a tad earlier? Got tap dance lessons. :-/
8 years, 10 months ago
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raykholo - Whatever works for Vinnie. Last I checked he's the one who has to work around a day job.
8 years, 10 months ago
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elpulpo - Gawd! If there was a Brit on here they'd rip the sh*t outta me about the tap lessons. It's my son who has the lessons. I was just giving you a p-taking opportunity :-)
8 years, 10 months ago
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elpulpo - Guess paeonius must be asleep :-)
8 years, 10 months ago
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vinnie90 - I can do whatever time you guys want. Internet connection ain't as good as it once was. So I might just b doing audio.

Elpulpo what time you thinking of?
8 years, 10 months ago
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raykholo - I guess he wanted 11am, 10 EST at the earliest for me. Those qualify as a tad before 11 I think.
Vinnie you kick it off if I sleep through, but I'll try to be up early enough.
8 years, 10 months ago
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elpulpo - Yeah. 11.00 EST would work for me.
8 years, 10 months ago
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vinnie90 - Ok that sounds like a plan guys! I will set it up
8 years, 10 months ago
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vinnie90 - https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/gwb45jxfmhfa4hkpxrkpfy6qiua

Here is the link, we are not going to start it until 10 CST/11 EST
8 years, 10 months ago
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vinnie90 - Ok guys lets all join in
8 years, 10 months ago
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jms3dprinting - I am concerned about the new open order process. A lot of the files are too challenging for most 3d printers and the price and schedule is too aggressive. I have accepted only a few small jobs where the model was ok but even then would have had a conversation with the customer first to ensure they got what they were looking for. I have seen huge models beyond my capability but from the volume the price and certainly the schedule is too aggressive. If a print failed for any reason it would not be possible to ship on time.
The interface has changed to encourage customers to try the new open order process because they are led to believe it is faster. I can accept an order and print within a day if the customer is responsive to my questions and pays the invoice promptly. My experience has shown that about 30 per cent of customers or more don't know what 3d printing can or cannot do. I spend a lot of time educating the customer. This is all lost in the open order process. The system does not seem to even check for model errors, unprintable models, etc and the schedule certainly does not account for large parts which can take a long time to print even at low density. The interface seems to default to 0.2 layer thickness and 5 per cent infill which most customers won't know what that means in terms of part quality and strength. If it is a functional part low infill may not be strong enough. I also notice people are asking for nylon. Other than higher temperature properties, I don't see why they would want it over ABS unless of course they are selecting it because they recognize the name as opposed to ABS. Maybe the site should say (ABS, like what Lego toys are made of).

I see this order process taking away business from dedicated people like myself who are committed to helping the customer. If the problem is the site is losing business to some other competitor, then the marketing and promotion needs to show the public needs help and 3d printing is not ready for click and print yet. Even seasoned designers can stand an education and objects from Thingiverse could be improved or have model errors.
Not sure who has been accepting some of these open orders but I would like to hear how successful they could print some of them. Most are challenging at best.

Jim Stana
JMS3DPrinting.com
8 years, 10 months ago
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paeonius - i agree with you jms, open order process could be improved, 5% infill is a bad idea
I dont print in ABS usually only in PLA
im lucky enough to have a large print bed or else some of the jobs couldn't have been printed in one piece, there is no way we can ask the customer if they wanted us to split the part or not
also the 1 day turnaround might be misleading to allot of the customers
8 years, 10 months ago
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mkapras - I've only taken 1 job since it started. Most, if not ALL, of the jobs have been either too large for my printer, hilariously underpriced, or both. Not a fan of the process. And what's with "Black Nylon"? They expect us to dye it too?

How did the hangout go?
8 years, 10 months ago
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vinnie90 - Hangout went well we discussed many things.
8 years, 10 months ago
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nathan - agree w/ a lot of the above.

fwiw, it's interesting to look back: http://i.imgur.com/q7YwY6z.png

that's what makexyz used to look like. pretty sh*tty.

things around here tend to start rough and get better over time -- as driven in large part by your feedback.

so if you have a sec, will you give us a list of things that /infill needs: https://goo.gl/Xyzj0I
8 years, 10 months ago
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jms3dprinting - I tried to call into the hangout and never saw anyone log in. Guess I had the time or day wrong.
Can someone summarize the comments or recommendations that came out of it and post hem here?
Also, I see that the open order process has been halted as a trial?

Have the number of inquiries system wide shown a decrease recently?
I have Ben looking at the past year and comparing inquiry frequency with this month and see a decline, but of course it just may be a brief anomaly that is not significant. I would assume that Nathan would be tracking daily or weekly overall stats and would be able to comment?

8 years, 9 months ago
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vinnie90 - We all felt the same about the situation. We don't like it.

And yes. My inquiries have dropped to nothing.
8 years, 9 months ago
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mkapras - If you look at makexyz.com page, the "Find printers near you" box has dropped below the fold. I have a fairly large monitor, and that box is off the bottom of my screen. So if you're wondering why your inquires have dropped to nothing (as have mine), that's why. All visitors are being directed to the Open Orders process by default. Oh well, at least my 3d Hubs business has picked up!
8 years, 9 months ago
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artexmg - One of my loyal customers just told me "MakeXYZ changed their ways and I couldn't find you", Well, now I know why there has been not activity.

Pretty bad, indeed, used to be great, but this new model is just killing. Leaving it if no change is done.
8 years, 7 months ago
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vinnie90 - really.....its hard to get loyal customers. Especially since we work really hard to keep them. I have not seen anything good for the makers happen in a long time...this sucks
8 years, 7 months ago
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artexmg - Yeah, well, not that I was deleted from the system, but it used to be easy to pick the maker you trust from the home page of MakeXYZ, but since the latest changes, you need to know exactly who you are looking for in order to find him/her.

And, to be honest, I have received a few requests in the following months after the "open print jons" implementation, but those were mostly "automated orders" with price pre-stablished (by whom?) and with no review of the "printability" of the models, with a ridiculous turn over time. Still, I had tried to educate the client, relying with all the problems I had found, well documented and even with simulations on how the end result would look. but since the request goes to several makers at a time, some more experienced than others, I do not doubt that some of these non printables pieces were originally deemed as possible by a newbe maker (as I was some years ago), just to fail short later on.

I believe that this damages the reputation of the site, it is not good for the makers, and even worst for the client.

Too bad something really good has turned into a loose-loose-loose situation. Of course, it is just my opinion.
8 years, 7 months ago
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yellowjester - I've also noticed a dropoff of customers in the past month or two. Prior to this new direction of the site, business was increasing, not decreasing. In the past couple months, I've only been contacted by repeat clients.

The idea of being able to upload a model and get an "instant price", without the consultation of a maker who has agreed to take on the job, is ridiculous, and whoever thought this would be a feasible way of handling this business must have some severe delusions regarding the capabilities and limitations of 3D printing technology.
8 years, 7 months ago
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vinnie90 - sad part is that it is working for makexyz. I get emails everyday showing the open jobs. People are somehow taking them on and making them.

:/
8 years, 7 months ago
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yellowjester - How do we even look at the open jobs? I got an e-mail a couple months ago with a link, but when I follow that link now, it doesn't show any jobs.
8 years, 7 months ago
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vinnie90 - http://www.makexyz.com/infill/
8 years, 7 months ago
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yellowjester - Yeah, it just says "available orders", followed by nothing. Do you currently see any jobs listed there?
8 years, 7 months ago
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vinnie90 - no it is empty now
8 years, 7 months ago
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yellowjester - There's another thread posted by someone who apparently placed an order (and paid for it) 3 months ago, who's wondering why they never got their print. Did the system just swallow it up after taking their money? Did a printer accept the job and then not follow through? Is anyone actually running this site anymore?
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